Harley Benton CST-24T P90 Ocean Flame

I've been hacking away at guitar for more decades than I care to admit. Though 98% a home player, I finally am starting to play teeny gigs again. I've been lucky to amass a decent selection of guitars over the years - I count an MIJ JS 1000, an MIJ 1200 guitars, 2 MIJ S-series guitars, a Suhr superstrat and most recently a PRS SE Holcomb model as well as a MusicMan Silhouette in my collection.

If you're looking at this HB CST guitar you're probably got here the same way as I did - hearing all the recent positive hype over these HB axes. I just got mine delivered to Hong Kong from Germany in exactly 5 days and after 72 hours with this thing, I thought I'd share my thoughts on it as well as my very first time experience dealing with Thomann.

100% no BS - the hype is real. I simply cannot understate how impressed I am by this guitar at this asking price.

SHIPPING & PACKAGING: crazy fast, efficient shipping across half the world to HK. Guitar came very well packed, inner-box-in-a-huge-shipping box style. Quality cardboard for both with a nice cardboard neck support as well.

FIT & FINISH: Again, no BS - my example is literally perfect. I spent a lot of time specifically looking for defects - overspray of paint, discolorations, dings, scratches, loose screws, binding misalignment, fret sprout, finish issues, etc. There literally are zero cosmetic issues with my guitar. Honestly flawless.

OUT OF THE BOX SETUP: Guitar as a bit out of tune, but the neck also appears totally straight. As I am predominantly a Floyd user, the Wilkinson 6 point trem bridge is kinda new for me. I specifically asked that the guitar be setup as low as possible and indeed it appears it was - action was low enough for my tastes. However, the Wilkinson bridge appeared to have been set to a fixed position out of the box so pull-ups were not possible. Also, the rear of the bridge plate was actually resting on the body of the guitar [there is no bridge cavity well a la Floyd guitars]. This looked odd to me, especially since the finish is so beautiful. Some quick research online and a phone call to Thomann guitar department totally fixed the issue. They said to simply adjust the claw screws so that the rear of bridge is floating a bit off the body - not at a crazy angle, but just enough so that some pull-ups are possible. Not Vai/Satch Floyd pullups - more like Alex Lifeson trem work. Problem solved.

Intonation was also still spot on after I made the desired adjustments to the trem claw screws. Thus far zero tuning issues with the original D'addario strings [9s I believe, though I will change to NYXL 10s soon]. I also used a bit of pencil lead on the nut grooves [which appear to be properly cut for all strings and thus do not bind at all] and again tuning stability seems terrific. Really impressed as a guy so used to Floyd double locking nuts.

The tuners work. Nothing amazing there. Unsure of the gear ratios but they seem solid enough and all work smoothly. I may invest in some locking tuners at some point but so far tuning with light to moderate trem work has been rock solid.

FRETBOARD and NECK: Never had a Jatoba fingerboard before. Honestly, my first impression was that it looks kinda cheap and a little fake, like maybe a veneer but that could be down to my inexperience with the wood. It FEELS OK and in fact feels quite flat and very comfortable to play on. While I'm not a shredder by any means, the fingerboard does feel very fast. The dot inlays are real - no decals here and they are are all perfectly set flush. The back of the neck is finished and while I am not normally a fan of finished necks, so far it feels really smooth and comfortable. Not an Ibanez Wizard neck by any means, but definitely in the PRS SE neighborhood. As I mentioned, zero fret sprout on my guitar and the bindings along the neck sides are perfectly finished, even at the very end of the fretboard. Crazy impressive again at this price.

PICKUPS, POTS and SELECTOR SWITCH: Never heard of Rosewell pickups before and I have not much experience with P90s, but that was exactly the reason I chose this model as the HB for me to try out. The Rosewell's are pretty hot indeed. The bridge and neck pups do indeed have great clarity and work really well together also. Have not adjusted the pole pieces at all and probably won't. These things have a great chimey quality - again, not sure if that's typical of P90s but they sound great to my ears all the same.

The volume and tone pots work quite nicely are are very smooth and loose in a good way. The control taper quite nicely. No idea of the details on the pots but they work well. Same with the pup selector switch - it feels fairly solid.

My only gripe is the position of the selector toggle. It seems to be in an inconvenient location for me, but I guess I can work around that.

ELECTRONICS and BRIDGE CAVITY: Here was a nice surprise that the photos don't show. Both of the plates on the rear of the guitar are flush mounted to the body - in other words, recessed. Even older PRS SE models didn't do this. The inside of the cavities were pretty clean, especially the electronics compartment which were EXTRA clean in their cable management. The back of the electronics cover is also "shielded" with some metallic sheet.

As for the bridge/claw cavity I was really impressed with the size of the Wilkinson bridge block itself. No idea how heavy it actually is as I haven't taken the strings off yet, but the block itself really is substantial.

OVERALL CONCLUSION SO FAR: I'm not here to say this guitar kicks ass over all other guitars out there. That would be ludicrous. However, as someone who is old enough to remember the sheer garbage guitars that were out there for sale for less than 200USD ages ago, I really am blown away with the overall quality of this instrument. This is certainly NOT a disposable instrument. Whatever voodoo magic Thomann and HB are working right now, well, all I can say is that at this price, one would be hard-headed indeed to not be as impressed as I was.

BRAVO THOMANN - looking like I will be grabbing a couple more HBs shortly, just to see if I got a unicorn somehow.

PS:
BRIEF COMMENT ON THOMANN CS: So, I noticed that my guitar came with a trem arm that was missing the rubber tip. I called Thomann, explained the issue and said I was not really expecting Thomann to do anything, that I was simply reporting the matter to them - after all, it's no big deal, the trem arm still works. They checked and got back to me within 12 hours: they verified that indeed the trem arm is supposed to ship as in the pictures, with a rubber tip. They apologized for the matter and are now shipping me a replacement arm at zero cost all the way to Hong Kong.

Now that is Amazon level customer service. Bravo again.

For a while, I have wished for a PRS guitar with P90's, and out of no where, this HB appeared. I had never heard of HB guitars until I had listed a bass guitar for sale online, and the guy that showed up interested in my short scale bass, just happened to bring his long scale Harley Benton bass, just to show it to me. I was really impressed by the quality and price he said he paid, unbelivable! So I soon went to the Thomann web site to browse over the HB guitars and found this one. I ordered it right away and within 10 days received it in the U.S. The box had some damage, and as I was opening it, even the inner box had some damage. I thought for sure the tip of the head-stock would be damaged. To my surprise, it was fine. Upon my first inspection, I was very impressed. beautiful fret job, almost perfect finish, the tuners worked perfect, no problems. I did have to lower the action, and when I got in to the guitar, a few of the frets needed a small amount of leveling. When doing so, I decided to polish the frets, oil the fingerboard, and set the intonation, while perfecting the action. So I'm a 40 plus year guitar player who learned early on how to work on my own guitars. Been doing this for a long time! I have never bought any guitar at any price that has not needed some setup, adjustment, and tweeking. The same for this one. The guitar is SO well worth the money, but like any guitar at any price, expect some possible adjustments and light luthier work. The P90's sound great! I have an Epi E339 with P90's and they are also very good. The Epi is slightly warmer but has a noticeable amount of single coil hum to them. The HB has 95% less hum than the Epi.
Barely barely noticable. Clean, clear, and warm clean tones, great spectrum of tonality for different styles. As expected, great for blues, rock, jazz. I don't play metal, so I can't comment on metal tones. The neck is amazing and comfortable. I have smaller than average hands, (not tiny) and I can play this HB like it's custom made for me. I really like the PRS scale lenght of 25" (U.S.) and the strings are in such good shape, I did not have to change them out right away. I've never used 9's on my electrics, but I like them on this guitar. Will use 9's when I do change them out.
All in all, I would definitly recomend this guitar! And I love the Ocean Flame color. The flame maple is very nice, and the color is deep rich blue just like in the photo's. Good job HB and Thomann. I have already ordered another HB, the HB TE-90FLT SB Deluxe Series. Should be arriving any day now.

I have always bought and played traditional style guitars, however, due to the P 90 pickups, which I have been wanting to try, I decided to buy this guitar.
Firstly, the buying experience itself was excellent, along with fast delivery. The instrument is a looker, and I also love the shape. The sound is so good, has a great biting tone once you set your amp and volume & tone controls. It’s unlike other instruments I own, in both looks and tone, therefore, it’s a perfect purchase. This is my current go to guitar as it is so versatile. It also stays in tune very well. The only thing I have changed are the control knobs, as this is a modern shape, so I’ve swapped out the ‘tele style’ knobs for some spare modern style ones that I had.
I actually cannot fault anything, from quality, price, playability. This is a bargain for the price, I’m really pleased with it, very impressed!

Fit / finish and quality, this guitar is simply amazing for the price!
Anyone interested in getting into a P90 guitar for a fraction of the cost look no further! The Roswell P90's sound great!

There's nothing I would replace on this guitar, but you can if you're a "modder" and would like to experiment or up-tick certain areas, but it's completely un-necessary. Some might want locking tuning pegs...
Or some might want to replace the bridge pickup with a humbucker that fits. I might do that if I find myself wanting more crunch since I don't have a lot of guitars in my shop. But again, it's un-necessary at this point for me.

Note: I'm a bass guitar luthier and know what it takes to build / finish an instrument.

I am a guitar player for over 25 jears and i wanted a p90 guitar.
There is not much available with p90's and a decent (not gibson like)
headstock and a tremolo, or you have to pay like more than 2000 euro's.
So i bought this Harley Benton instead.
First impression is that the wood is beautiful and high quality.
The tuners are not that nice. (they suck).
The p90's provided do not sound that great, not the sound i was expecting,
they barely make the sound of a p90.
The guitar also has a few high frets so it buzzes and rattles.
And o my god the tremolo wont stay in tune no matter wath i tried.
Even flatting it out does not solve the problems. The tremolo is unusable in my case.
So my conclusion: the wood is great, but everything else sucks.

What to do???? Modify it like there is no tomorrow.
I removed everything exept the wood (obvious) and the nut. All the rest is gone. I noticed that the pots used are 250K. For a P90 it should be 500K.
I put in some shaller M6 tuners, Bare knuckle boot camp P90's.
All new electronics: 500k CTS pots, 0,022 cap, switchcraft switch, and braided wire, and a CTS output jack.
Also a shaller 2 point vintage tremolo was added.
I did a fretjob and polish and put it all together.

And there you go, a guitar better than a PRS, with the options i chose.
I am not a guitar tech. Although i do the fretwork on all my guitars and minor repairs myself, this is my first "real" modding project.
I had no real problems with the installation of the parts.
I bought a 25 euro soldering station and leared from youtube how to do 50's style wiring.
The installation of the tremolo was the most scary.
But hey, if i fucked it up, its a 260 euro guitar and i would have bought a
new one. I measured a lot and used painters tape, a ruler and a pencil to see where it should be. I used a mill to enlarge the cavity, it was to small for the new tremolo.
During the removal of the old tremolo i noticed that the 6 screwholes are
not in line, they go up and down 4-5mm. that is why the original trem did
not stayed in tune.
The guitar is great now. It sounds much better and plays like a breeze.
The tremolo stays in tune +-2 cents. Intonation is not a problem because i measured a lot.
So i am happy with it. I learned a lot during the process.
But what are the costs for this project?
260 euro for the guitar,
189 euro for the pickups,
138 euro for the tremolo,
118 euro for the tuners,
77 euro for the electronics+ shipping
This is a total of 782 euro.
You can get a gretch semi accoustic with a bigsby for this money, but it has a Gibson style headstock so you will have tuning problems.
There are no other decent guitars with p90's a tremolo and a decent headstock available for this kind of money.
I know it is a lot of money but i would do it again. It was fun to do and i learned a lot.
Now i have the guitar i want, the guitar Harley Benton should have made
intstead of the stock one.